Liked it.
And the bit where the Cyberman asked why it was cold - well, there was a lump in the throat.
Ep 6
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Ep 6
Awww, wasn't that good? Explosions, sad bits, heroics, explosions, Jackie gets what's coming to her, more explosions and the Cybermen turned out to be pretty good.
Liked it.
And the bit where the Cyberman asked why it was cold - well, there was a lump in the throat.
Liked it.
And the bit where the Cyberman asked why it was cold - well, there was a lump in the throat.
Zebras deserve everything they get.
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lordsummerisle
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lordsummerisle
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... and to recycle an old joke. Jackie ends up transformed into the one being in the universe for whom wearing cheap gold jewellery means certain death.
Oh, the irony
Still, one universe has live human dad and dead cybermum, the other has dead dad and human singlemum. They can never meet ... but somehow you know they will in Rose's farewell episode.
Oh, the irony
Still, one universe has live human dad and dead cybermum, the other has dead dad and human singlemum. They can never meet ... but somehow you know they will in Rose's farewell episode.
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous." - Alfred North Whitehead, philosopher.
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lordsummerisle
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It's too easy.
Somehow there are still Cybermen in the parallel Earth. Jackie, Rose and the Doc go and help Mickey and Rose's parallel dad defeat them with optional location filming in Paris if budget allows. Rose decides she's had enough gadding about the universe and opts to stay on parallel Earth with Mickey. Mum and parallel dad are re-united for the first time (if you get what I mean) and adopt Rose after drowning the dog in a sack. Optional Rose/Mickey and/or Dad/Mum wedding follows if episode requires padding.
You heard it here first. Get your script writing hat on
Oh, alright. Let the bl00dy dog live if you must.
Somehow there are still Cybermen in the parallel Earth. Jackie, Rose and the Doc go and help Mickey and Rose's parallel dad defeat them with optional location filming in Paris if budget allows. Rose decides she's had enough gadding about the universe and opts to stay on parallel Earth with Mickey. Mum and parallel dad are re-united for the first time (if you get what I mean) and adopt Rose after drowning the dog in a sack. Optional Rose/Mickey and/or Dad/Mum wedding follows if episode requires padding.
You heard it here first. Get your script writing hat on
Oh, alright. Let the bl00dy dog live if you must.
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous." - Alfred North Whitehead, philosopher.
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Now we've had a story I've really enjoyed since this cybersin I feel I can complain about the cyberstory. I now know I'm not down on the entire series, just a little less impressed with some of the recent stories (the Idiot's Lantern certainly excepted!)
Okay, here we go, no holding back...
What was the point of that throwaway curfew scene? Without a more pervading sense of oppression it added nothing. There was certainly no implication around the President of fascist tendencies. Is this a hang over from a previous draft?
Mickey leaves. A good thing in my book, get back to just Rose and the Doctor. But why did he say he was staying to look after his gran and then immediately bugger off to Paris with that dreadful cbbc actor? Was Mickey lying to Rose? If so, then what was the point of the gran scene? Another hang over from a previous draft? Besides, was the implication here that Captain Jack's 51st century ways have, er, rubbed off on him? Are we seriously meant to believe this?!
Gemini. Why? Where did that come from? Another strand lost between drafts? Why would Pete do that? Why would he choose to leak to that band of misfits? Most wanted for parking tickets... Come on! Bad enough that it came completely out of left field and then disappeared again without explanation but it should have made at least some sense.
Any of these might have gone unremarked if an isolated incident but together their weight brings the whole story down. No story is perfect but a better story gets the benefit of the doubt. This one was just so sloppily done. It needed another draft or two. It wasn't ready to be filmed.
Other things that glared at me in an evil fashion: what are the chances that 'cybercontrol' had an interface to fit Rose's Samsung mobile phone? How many different models of phone are there, not mentioning the fact this is an alternate world - especially given mobile phones have been replaced by earpods... Let's no even go into the odds of Mickey managing to get a videofeed of cybercontrol up at the critical point and the Doctor realising this. Sloppy.
Overall not a patch on Spare Parts. It would have been a lot more powerful if the population as a whole were dying, instead of just one man. A culture of replacing diseased body parts would have given the 'ultimate upgrade' more oomph. One man trying to save his life by converting the entire population? More believable if he was obviously trying to perfect the procedure for his own eventual conversion. Incidentally, is it just me or did the cybercontroller appear not to have the 'anti-emotion chip' enabled?
Some nice bits in there, however. The cyberman who was about to be married was quite well done. Again, not as good as Spare Parts. In that we knew the young woman before the conversion and got to see her family's reaction when she wandered home confused after being damaged in an accident (as a cyberman). No need for contrived 'going to get married tomorrow' to create emotional impact. One thing that wasn't in Spare Parts, for obvious reasons, was the shot of the cyberman looking at itself in the mirror. That was a well done moment.
Rise and Age did have their good moments but it was when taken as a whole that it didn't quite work for me. I know RTD wrote the entire before opening titles sequence in Rise. I wonder what else he changed. The whole thing does feel a bit like someone has taken a script and sprinkled in their own ideas at the last moment without a feel for how it alters what was already there. The whole story felt a little slap dash. As I said, another draft or two to cover over the cracks would have helped immensely. A big crowd puller of a story like this really should have been a bit more polished. I really fear the long term damage to the series popularity because of this type of thing.
Oh, well, got that off my chest (and I'm sure I forgot a whole series of other niggles on the story) so now I can look forward to what is sure to be a much better set of stories coming up.
Okay, here we go, no holding back...
What was the point of that throwaway curfew scene? Without a more pervading sense of oppression it added nothing. There was certainly no implication around the President of fascist tendencies. Is this a hang over from a previous draft?
Mickey leaves. A good thing in my book, get back to just Rose and the Doctor. But why did he say he was staying to look after his gran and then immediately bugger off to Paris with that dreadful cbbc actor? Was Mickey lying to Rose? If so, then what was the point of the gran scene? Another hang over from a previous draft? Besides, was the implication here that Captain Jack's 51st century ways have, er, rubbed off on him? Are we seriously meant to believe this?!
Gemini. Why? Where did that come from? Another strand lost between drafts? Why would Pete do that? Why would he choose to leak to that band of misfits? Most wanted for parking tickets... Come on! Bad enough that it came completely out of left field and then disappeared again without explanation but it should have made at least some sense.
Any of these might have gone unremarked if an isolated incident but together their weight brings the whole story down. No story is perfect but a better story gets the benefit of the doubt. This one was just so sloppily done. It needed another draft or two. It wasn't ready to be filmed.
Other things that glared at me in an evil fashion: what are the chances that 'cybercontrol' had an interface to fit Rose's Samsung mobile phone? How many different models of phone are there, not mentioning the fact this is an alternate world - especially given mobile phones have been replaced by earpods... Let's no even go into the odds of Mickey managing to get a videofeed of cybercontrol up at the critical point and the Doctor realising this. Sloppy.
Overall not a patch on Spare Parts. It would have been a lot more powerful if the population as a whole were dying, instead of just one man. A culture of replacing diseased body parts would have given the 'ultimate upgrade' more oomph. One man trying to save his life by converting the entire population? More believable if he was obviously trying to perfect the procedure for his own eventual conversion. Incidentally, is it just me or did the cybercontroller appear not to have the 'anti-emotion chip' enabled?
Some nice bits in there, however. The cyberman who was about to be married was quite well done. Again, not as good as Spare Parts. In that we knew the young woman before the conversion and got to see her family's reaction when she wandered home confused after being damaged in an accident (as a cyberman). No need for contrived 'going to get married tomorrow' to create emotional impact. One thing that wasn't in Spare Parts, for obvious reasons, was the shot of the cyberman looking at itself in the mirror. That was a well done moment.
Rise and Age did have their good moments but it was when taken as a whole that it didn't quite work for me. I know RTD wrote the entire before opening titles sequence in Rise. I wonder what else he changed. The whole thing does feel a bit like someone has taken a script and sprinkled in their own ideas at the last moment without a feel for how it alters what was already there. The whole story felt a little slap dash. As I said, another draft or two to cover over the cracks would have helped immensely. A big crowd puller of a story like this really should have been a bit more polished. I really fear the long term damage to the series popularity because of this type of thing.
Oh, well, got that off my chest (and I'm sure I forgot a whole series of other niggles on the story) so now I can look forward to what is sure to be a much better set of stories coming up.